tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143444398686195516.post537294248730838250..comments2023-04-15T09:45:24.185-05:00Comments on Millenarian Iconoclasm: First Cause and other Creationist Lies about the Big BangDark Starhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04356850749159919331noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143444398686195516.post-63229703081907043602013-04-16T07:04:42.345-05:002013-04-16T07:04:42.345-05:00They created the imaginary 'transcendent' ...They created the imaginary 'transcendent' immaterial out of nothing<br /><br />I have an argument against that as well:<br /><br />http://iconoclasm2000.blogspot.com/2013/02/if-god-is-perfect-being.htmlDark Starhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04356850749159919331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5143444398686195516.post-51813779917158350932013-04-16T03:26:21.095-05:002013-04-16T03:26:21.095-05:00I've wondered why more debaters don't brin...I've wondered why more debaters don't bring up the tactic used by creationists, that secularists/non-goddists think that everything came from nothing, all the while proclaiming quite loudly that their god did in fact come from nothing, and created everything from that same empty bag of tricks-sans bag, of course!<br /><br />On a slight tangent, I admit that I am very ignorant of logic and its use in debates. While I understand the urgency that drives the theists into the arms of logic for "proof" of the existence of their chosen deity, I will wait in the bar until they present actual, tangible, proof before I'll entertain the idea that they may be on to something. Long ago I was a member of the BB "Atheists vs Christianity", and, to me, the least persuasive, and most tiresome member of that small community was one who based all of his premises in mathematics-based logic arguments. Flailing about in metaphysics grew tiresome very quickly, and I admit to descending into blatant name-calling and abuse. I do not regret that for a moment. What a waste of time, and of an otherwise quite elastic mind. trog69https://www.blogger.com/profile/00448911131570383708noreply@blogger.com